Protests over Gaza deaths at 5PM Today (Monday) outside Israeli Embassy..

Did anybody go?:rolleyes:

PrivateEye wrote: »

Zebra3, by that logic FARC, the Contos, and countless others are right in their own armed pursuits too? I'm no 'bleeding heart', i think there's a time for insurrection on occasion, but 'U DID IT FRST' never justified a carbomb in my eyes.

You think there is time for insurrection, but never a car bomb? How do you propose the Palestinians go about reclaiming the land they have been ethnicly cleansed from?

PrivateEye wrote: »

I hope the day comes Palestinian children can play in the streets without an occupational force in their face, and Israeli civilians can go about their day to day lives without fear.

Yep, me too.

PrivateEye wrote: »

"All Israeli citizens do military service therefore all Israeli citizens are military targets"

:rolleyes:

Great comeback.

phenomenon wrote: »

That was a noble speech my friend and you're right - the conflict will end when one side stops the violence. But you seem to miss the critical point that it's the Palestinians who repeatedly break these ceasefires. Israel would be more than happy to co-exist with its neighbours in peace but unlike Jordan, Egypt and the others that learned their lesson during the 1967 6-day war, the Palestinians continue to target Israeli civilians.
If the Palestinians are wiped out one by one they have only themselves to blame, I'm sorry to say, for electing a terrorist militia to represent them.

And yes, the people who attend these protests are muppets of the highest order. What do they hope to achieve besides hold up traffic?

@Zebra23: Wrap a towel around your head and run off to Gaza to fight with your terrorist friends ya big hero. See how welcome you are. Let's hope an Israeli teenager (who you label as a legitimate target) catches you in the crosswires of his sniper scope

And have you ever cared to find out why they break the ceasefires? Yeah of course Israel would like to exist in peace. But they want to exist in peace with other peoples land as their own.

Well i hope you never find yourself in a need to protest and simply just hold up traffic. I wouldn't want you branding yourself a muppet.

And you are actually very welcome in Palestine. Or did you have a different experience when you were there?

tallaght01 wrote: »

C'mon.

You can't just justify your stance by making the enormous generalisation that Israelis don't know what's going on!!! :P

I could equally say the Israelis I've met know what's going on, but they think it's justified because of what the Palestinians do to them. I'm not sure the Palestinian media is completely unbiased either :P

We have to remember that just because people don't agree with us, or argue with us, doesn't make them wrong. I have to point out how much it annoys me when I meet Israelis abroad and some Paddy has to have a go at them about the conflict, but that's another issue :P

As an aside, I'm watching the protests in London now. Why are the anti-Israeli protestors alowing people in their midst to wave hezbullah flags?

I hate violence in all it's forms, and not just selective violence. I have a feeling some of these protestors don't.

I didn't say all Israeli's. I said a lot of Israelis. Some are very aware of what is going on. And some simply argue blindly and just can't provide anything factual and even tell you backed up with legitimate reasons why they side with Israel other than it being their country. So are the Israeli's that are actually aware of what is going on wrong? These Israeli's still love their country and believe in it's right to exist. They are just more aware of what actually goes on in the West Bank, Gaza, etc. Shooting a 6 year old kid who throws a rock at an Abrams tank is just simply not justifiable. A lot of Israeli's will agree it is on the basis that he could grow up to be a suicide bomber. You'd think they would be more understanding after what their ancestors went through.

I never bring up anything to do with Palestine around Israeli's. But you talk to them long enough without mentioning it and they will ask you, can i get your opinion on Palestine. I'm not going to lie to them, usually i say i don't want to talk about it. But they can be quite persistent in wanting to know. I've traveled for years and met hundreds of them. And it's a huge majority that has asked me. Granted you can say the same thing, but only it's opposite. That will formulate your opinion and my experience will formulate mine. So they are as bad as the paddy that annoys the hell out of you.

People can argue and say that i am one sided. But i'll condemn actions on both sides. And i'll condemn the actions of Hamas but i understand the why. A lot of people don't and never care to find out. They just see the act and take it as that. To me, rockets landing in a field and killing 2 people is just not worthy of aerial bombing without regard to innocent people. It's the disproportion that gets a lot of people anger about Israel's aggression.

wes wrote: »

Of course Israel has elected plenty of terrorists in the past, there earliest Prime Ministers, were members of terror organizations like the Irgun etc. .

so because israel in the past has elected terrorist its ok for palestine to do the same? bit of a retarded argument to be honest

right now as it stands israel are reacting to attacks on them. i heard someone else in another thread say israel dont know the meaning of proportinate(sp) responce. what a ridicolous thing to say you dont guess at just the right amount of force its going to take to win a fight you massively overwhelm the enemy

no doubt there has been wrong doing on both sides but thats what happens during conflict and everything in the last few weeks suggests that the attacks from palesitne were unprovoked and that israel is now doing its best to not suffer anymore attacks and they are dead right too

Zebra3 wrote: »

In case people are wondering why rockets have been fired into Israel it's because Israel has put a blaockade on the Gaza Strip depriving innocent civilians of food and oil. People have been resorting to scavanging in rubbish dumps for food. All this started came about when Hamas won an election and Israel didn't like it. Democracy how are ya? :rolleyes:

One only has to look at the how the Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed out of their homeland since 1946 to make way for European and African jews to see how horrid their situation is. Why should they suffer cos the jews suffered at the hands of the Germans?

It has been going on for longer than that.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Big anti-Israeli protests in London now on Fox News (Sky 509).

How is Rupie spinning it?

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

The thing with a lot of Israeli's is that they don't actually know what happens in Palestine even though they live so close. So they support their Government without having all the facts. This day last week i was sitting in Panamá City with a big group of Israelis who were celebrating Chanukah. And the mood was so sour because for the 3 days before that date all they did was argue with me ever so blindly. I never got into it fully with them and only told them facts. Such as the amount of UN resolutions against them for human rights abuses, that they control electricity and water in Palestine, they impose curfews, etc. They did not believe me and called me a liar. This is all documented fact but yet they don't know about it, or don't want to know about it. When i told them that Israel acts too heavy handed and the response is disproportionate and you would think Israel would be more aware of this because of the holocaust. I was then accused of denying that the holocaust existed. There is just no talking with a lot of them. A lot of stuff they would argue about the Palestinians just simply wasn't true. So that's why the Israeli population allow their Government to do the things they do.

I have met, known and have enough Israeli friends to determine my above opinion of them. The friends being the ones that actually know what really goes on.

So if it's all fear and anger that is driving this, the 90% of Israel that never experiences anything regarding the conflict are living with fear and anger based on not knowing all the facts.

And i think it's a bit unfair to say that protesters only care about their image and don't realize what it's really about. Some do and they are just muppets who love a good aul protest.

Just as the Germans either didn't know or didn't care what was happening to the Jews in Germany in the 30's and 40's.

The bullied have become the bullies.

Rather than taking the high road and sitting comfortably in the land provided for them (stolen from Palestinians), they have decided they want more of this land and seem willing to stop at nothing to get it.

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

I was asking for actual evidence/proof. Not anecdotal evidence. Now if you knew someone in Hamas who was able to tell you their exact motivations for the recent rocket attacks, that might make for an interesting anecdote.

It's been stated that there were circumstances that led to the incessant firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas; just that they "weren't reported" on the news here. I want proof.

Is the fact that the Palestinians had their land stolen from them and were then segregated not enough?

phenomenon wrote: »

That was a noble speech my friend and you're right - the conflict will end when one side stops the violence. But you seem to miss the critical point that it's the Palestinians who repeatedly break these ceasefires. Israel would be more than happy to co-exist with its neighbours in peace but unlike Jordan, Egypt and the others that learned their lesson during the 1967 6-day war, the Palestinians continue to target Israeli civilians.
If the Palestinians are wiped out one by one they have only themselves to blame, I'm sorry to say, for electing a terrorist militia to represent them.

And yes, the people who attend these protests are muppets of the highest order. What do they hope to achieve besides hold up traffic?

@Zebra23: Wrap a towel around your head and run off to Gaza to fight with your terrorist friends ya big hero. See how welcome you are. Let's hope an Israeli teenager (who you label as a legitimate target) catches you in the crosswires of his sniper scope

Attack the post, not the poster.

interesting quote from the rte website just to get a bit of balance in teh discussion from the people stating as fact that israel are just bombing indiscriminately

has killed at least 345 Palestinians and wounded more than 1,400 others.

At least 57 civilians, including 21 children, have died as a result of the bombardment, a UN spokesman said.

so palestine indiscriminately attacks israel and kills pretty much only civilians. israel responds by striking at hamas facilities and kills just under 300 hamas / non civilians and unfortunately also kills 57 civilians because of how hamas strategically place their 'government' buildings

come on guys this is like the north / republic electing sinn fein at the height of the troubles when they they were one and the same with the ira. and yet israel still wants to have a ceasefire with these terrorists but they refuse :rolleyes: . i have sympathy for the civilians but assuming the elections were not rigged in anyway you ahve to wonder what they were thinking voting those guys in

tallaght01 wrote: »

You're not showcasing your impartiality brilliantly, to be honest

Because all my points have been talking about why rockets are fired. I haven't said that either side is right. I've just been posting that there are reasons behind Hamas firing rockets. And i listed them. I just hate it when people say that rockets were fired and they provoked it, so it is there own fault. There are always reasons behind an action, whether good or bad. And that's what i always try look for.