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Girls doing 4 times as much study as boys.

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  • #92
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf

    Female: 3739
    Male: 4681

    The Irish Time article clearly had an agenda of putting women above men, which is seen as completely acceptable but the reverse could see a male journalist fired.

    I almost thanked this and would have if not for the little dig after. Can we not just discuss the topic without making jibes?


  • #93
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    Millicent wrote: »
    I almost thanked this and would have if not for the little dig after. Can we not just discuss the topic without making jibes?
    It's not a jibe. The author of that article clearly had an angle she wanted to get across instead of saying what the figures represent. Why do we see women doing better than men as a positive that gets it's own article but the opposite as a negative which should be ignored.


    Also I don't care if you thank me.:D


  • #94
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    It's not a jibe. The author of that article clearly had an angle she wanted to get across instead of saying what the figures represent. Why do we see women doing better than men as a positive that gets it's own article but the opposite as a negative which should be ignored.


    Also I don't care if you thank me.:D

    You should, my thanks are simply marvellous, dahling! :pac:

    I don't think it's a positive that either gender is doing better. I think it should be a cause for consideration and review, unless (as is entirely possible) the gap isn't actually that giant and is grossly exaggerated.


  • #95
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    It's not a jibe. The author of that article clearly had an angle she wanted to get across instead of saying what the figures represent. Why do we see women doing better than men as a positive that gets it's own article but the opposite as a negative which should be ignored.

    It's clearly not seen as a positive. Also "Boys outperform girls slightly in two Leaving Cert subjects" isn't exactly an eye-catching headline. However the fact that girls outperform boys in every other subject is obviously going to attract attention.


  • #96
    Crow92
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    derfderf wrote: »
    It's not just the homework that's the problem. But 30 girls together in a class and they'll all try and get better marks than each other.
    Put 30 boys in a class together and they'll put pots on their heads and run into each other. Anyone that went to a mixed school sees the difference in attitudes.

    We actually did this in 2nd year during a free class. Except we used a hurling helmet and a hard hat....


    We all got detention.


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  • #97
    SugarHigh
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    sock puppet wrote: »
    It's clearly not seen as a positive. Also "Boys outperform girls slightly in two Leaving Cert subjects" isn't exactly an eye-catching headline. However the fact that girls outperform boys in every other subject is obviously going to attract attention.
    Why make the article biased in either direction?


  • #98
    sock puppet
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    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Why make the article biased in either direction?

    It's an article about the differences in results between males and females:confused: You seem to have a poor understanding of what bias is. The fact that they left out the numbers taking higher maths (note they also did this for all oher subjects) was just shoddy journalism not bias. In fact had they included the percentages of each gender taking honours level in every subject it would have made the male results look even worse.


  • #99
    changes
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    SugarHigh wrote: »
    The Irish Time article clearly had an agenda of putting women above men, which is seen as completely acceptable but the reverse could see a male journalist fired.

    Indeed and that is also seen in soap opera's, sitcoms, adverts etc. In soaps you would see a woman slap a man across the face when angry but the reverse would not tolerated, two dumb men trying to figure out what to call oatabix and the woman steps in with the answer, again the reverse would not be acceptable.

    Both genders doing as well as each other should be the aim, not cheering on one gender as they do better than the other.


  • #100
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    sock puppet wrote: »
    It's an article about the differences in results between males and females:confused: You seem to have a poor understanding of what bias is. The fact that they left out the numbers taking higher maths (note they also did this for all oher subjects) was just shoddy journalism not bias. In fact had they included the percentages of each gender taking honours level in every subject it would have made the male results look even worse.
    No they didn't
    A far greater number of boys sat applied maths than girls; 792 candidates compared with 249 girls at higher level and 59 compared with 22 at ordinary level. It was one of the few subjects where boys outperformed girls scoring honours in 78.5 per cent of cases compared with 76.3 per cent for girls.
    Notice how the only time they did include the total figures was when it showed a negative against boys.


  • #101
    The Agogo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭The Agogo


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    And if this WERE the case, then why not try to push males into female-oriented fields just as much?

    Yeah! You don't see many women in coalmining or hard labour.

    But of course no feminist would complain about that.


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  • #102
    Millicent
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    The Agogo wrote: »
    Yeah! You don't see many women in coalmining or hard labour.

    But of course no feminist would complain about that.

    Oh my God. Is that actually your argument? Do the men who do those jobs have a problem doing them?


  • #103
    SugarHigh
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    sock puppet wrote: »
    In fact had they included the percentages of each gender taking honours level in every subject it would have made the male results look even worse.
    http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf

    It's actually pretty even. Some subject have higher numbers of girls while some subject have higher numbers of boys.


  • #104
    SugarHigh
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    Millicent wrote: »
    Oh my God. Is that actually your argument? Do the men who do those jobs have a problem doing them?
    What has that got to do with anything. The men science don't have a problem doing it so why put more emphasis on getting women into science than getting men into science. They do this through special grants given only to women.


  • #105
    Lyra Fangs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Lyra Fangs


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything. The men science don't have a problem doing it so why put more emphasis on getting women into science than getting men into science. They do this through special grants given only to women.

    Maybe it's because times are changing and they're trying to get more women out of the home and into the workplace.


  • #106
    sock puppet
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    SugarHigh wrote: »
    http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf

    It's actually pretty even. Some subject have higher numbers of girls while some subject have higher numbers of boys.

    The data you've linked to is useless without knowing the overall numbers sitting those subjects. What matters is the percentage of girls and boys sitting higher level rather than the overall numbers. Since you've been arguing over people's interperetations of results for the past page I thought you would have known that but it seems I expected too much of you.


  • #107
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything. The men science don't have a problem doing it so why put more emphasis on getting women into science than getting men into science. They do this through special grants given only to women.

    Are you actually arguing that there is as much prestige in construction and coalmining as there is in science? They don't need to get men into science. They're already in it.

    They also give special grants to minorities who have traditionally been at a disadvantage. Have you some sort of problem with this (although I can probably guess, tbh)?


  • #108
    sock puppet
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    SugarHigh wrote: »
    No they didn't

    Sorry I missed that bit
    Notice how the only time they did include the total figures was when it showed a negative against boys.

    How on earth does that passage show boys in a negative light? It says that boys outperform girls


  • #109
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,047 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    The research shows that girls spend longer on their homework than boys, with girls spending an average of four hours or more per night on homework, while boys tend to study for an hour or less, she said.

    Study and homework aren't the same thing really.It doesn't state that girls study more tbh, just that they take longer to do their homework.

    Anyways, LC was crap and is no where close in difficulty to college exams.Only harder part is with cramming as there's less time between exams.
    Most of the crap I learned in the LC I've never used, and I can't see many future scenarios where I'll need to use any of it.


  • #110
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    fakearms123 wrote: »
    Yet the smartest people throughout history and up to present time are men... EPIC FAIL!

    everybody better take a step back, fakearms123 has spoken.


  • #111
    veryangryman
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    My thoughts...

    The leaving cert is a mainly theoretical based exam.

    Men have more options in employment outside of academia than women and get hired easier to the top jobs due to being available for work more than women for biological reasons. Getting a trade for instance is a mainly male oriented option.

    So, my theory is that girls try harder because generally, they need this academic achievement more than the men in the long run.

    Bit too serious for AH, but there ya go :pac:


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  • #112
    SuperInfinity
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    Lyra Fangs wrote: »
    Maybe it's because times are changing and they're trying to get more women out of the home and into the workplace.

    Trying to force women out and doing work more like.

    Surely a woman can decide for herself if it's right for her without the government "trying to get" her to do anything?


  • #113
    bleg
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    Generally, the girls in my class in college definitely put more work in than the guys in the class. They also tended to be more uptight about the course, less likely to miss lectures and less likely to share tips for exams and lecture notes.

    Generally, the guys on the other hand tended to spend less time studying, miss more lectures but we definitely stuck together more and shared lecture notes, exam tips etc...

    The results were fairly equally distributed too.


  • #114
    Rockn
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    Ultimate Chin wrote: »
    Well obviously.
    If the smartest man in the world was a girl thered be something pretty wrong.
    Well unless he was a hermy......or tranny.......thats a whole other packet of pudding though
    Or accidentally installed the Mary(UK) voice on his wheelchair.


  • #115
    cooltown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭cooltown


    Ya. I would believe that I go to an all boy's secondary school. Girls from the convent comes over for certain class because there aren't enough people in there school. The girls always takes notes in classes and are paying attetion. They also try so much harder!


  • #116
    SuperInfinity
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    bleg wrote: »
    Generally, the girls in my class in college definitely put more work in than the guys in the class. They also tended to be more uptight about the course, less likely to miss lectures and less likely to share tips for exams and lecture notes.

    Generally, the guys on the other hand tended to spend less time studying, miss more lectures but we definitely stuck together more and shared lecture notes, exam tips etc...

    The results were fairly equally distributed too.

    I wish they tended to be more "up tight" with me... :pac: :)


  • #117
    Fox McCloud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Fox McCloud


    My god this thread is depressing.
    Its not even a proper gender war thread, its more of an aimless whinning, we dont care if the girls are better than us cause they, like, cared man and we so did not we're cooler still!

    Its either the leaving cert is only useless learning by rote and guys are more proactive so it doesnt suit them or Well we're still winning at maths and they probably dont even have high IQs the boys do and we invented everything so we still win WE STILL WIN! But ye're bullying us with feminist propaganda telling us we're not as good you should lie to us and tell us guys are still ahead in the academic world because we dont like being told that we're not best at everything so we'll resort to any stereotype going to make ourselves feel better.


    I dont get it, there is a serious motivation problem with young guys and all everyone can do is slate the girls for caring. I think the problem lies with maturity levels at that age, girls do tend to mature faster at that age. Not in all respects, 17 year old girls can be as childish as hell but they do seem to grasp the concept of their future a lot better than guys of the same age. How can WE society address the problem? By making it cool for guys to study and care about their future?


  • #118
    Scuid Mhór
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    cooltown wrote: »
    Ya. I would believe that I go to an all boy's secondary school. Girls from the convent comes over for certain class because there aren't enough people in there school. The girls always takes notes in classes and are paying attetion. They also try so much harder!

    this. the majority of boys in my year just don't care. i'd reckon maybe a quarter of them actually bother to do work all year round and the rest just cram the night before the exam.


  • #119
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Fox McCloud wrote: »
    Not in all respects, 17 year old girls can be as childish as hell but they do seem to grasp the concept of their future a lot better than guys of the same age. How can WE society address the problem? By making it cool for guys to study and care about their future?

    this would never work. see telling a group of teenagers to be pro something or not to do something is going to make them do the opposite. (ie. don't do drugs; don't drink alcohol). not only that but think of how much of a spin you'd have to put contemporary culture on in order to make boys believe studying is 'cool'.

    however it is possible. apparently in russia it's normal for boys to study not just for exams but just to extend their knowledge of certain subjects. they see it as recreational leisure to better themselves in a mental aspect.


  • #120
    jimmycrackcorm
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    I for one welcome our newly 4xtime educated female overlords.

    But I'm married and don't really have a choice until eastenders, corrie and Fair city are over.


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  • #121
    Fox McCloud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Fox McCloud


    Get more girls sports going so, a different outlet for the girls competitiveness will level up the playing fields in the leaving cert


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