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Al-Qaeda 'underpants' bomber was working for CIA

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  • #92
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There will be no civil war with Obama.

    He knows at the touch of a button who his enemies are him from social media and mobile phone records. All he needs to do is track them down with his storm troopers and forward them on to Fema concentration camps.

    Dude, you've been playing too much Deus Ex: Human Revolution and/or listening to too much Alex Jones/Adam Curry.

    Lay off the drugs.

    /end thread


  • #93
    Monty Burnz
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It has been going back decades
    So it wasn't Obama then, was it?

    I find it interesting how you attribute superhuman powers to these people. They are only human.


  • #94
    Jonny7
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It has been going back decades

    The only hold up was getting the correct man to join the dots and OBama fits the bill. (Pun intended :) )

    I love how the other conspiracy theorists on this forum must be reading this and thinking, jeez is that how we sound :)


  • #95
    Run_to_da_hills
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    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    Dude, you've been playing too much Deus Ex: Human Revolution and/or listening to too much Alex Jones/Adam Curry.

    Lay off the drugs.

    /end thread

    Do a simple UTube search on CISPA NDAA Martial Law and you will understand what I am talking about.

    We are dealing with an up and coming Fascist Go figure..


  • #96
    Monty Burnz
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Do a simple UTube search on CISPA NDAA Martial Law and you will understand what I am talking about.

    We are dealing with an up and coming Fascist Go figure.
    He can't be coming up much further if he was already running the whole government behind the scenes as far back as 2000.

    By the way, why are are you so obsessed with the US? Are there no anti-christs or conspiracies in Europe?

    Or is it that there are just so many political/religious fanatic websites created for the US market?


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  • #97
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    He can't be coming up much further if he was already running the whole government behind the scenes as far back as 2000.

    By the way, why are are you so obsessed with the US? Are there no anti-christs or conspiracies in Europe?

    Or is it that there are just so many political/religious fanatic websites created for the US market?
    Yes it because Obama ticks all the boxed and he is from the US and has the capabilities of global dominance.

    Obama is currently also using George Orwells's 1984 and Adolf Hitlers Mein Kamf as instruction manuals for setting up the stage for his New World Order take over agenda.

    This can be clearly noticed with his various directives that he has drafted in in recent years through false flag events such as so called underwear bombing etc some which have Global implications such as the chipping of all international passports. (A hint of his forthcoming mark of the Beast)

    Yes there has been Antichrists in Europe dating right back as far as Constantine and they still exist to this very day. :)


  • #98
    Daithi 1
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    That's a contradiction in terms.



    Of course it does, the CIA infiltrated this movement. Are you misinterpreting this?



    Most aren't? can you give us a list? there's several thousand you'll have to work through.

    CIA written all over it, Like 911, then.

    Not most arent, some more relevant ones may not be.


  • #99
    Jonny7
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    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    CIA written all over it, Like 911, then.

    Not most arent, some more relevant ones may not be.

    Hmmm, I don't think you are grasping the story Daithi.


  • #100
    Daithi 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭Daithi 1


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Hmmm, I don't think you are grasping the story Daithi.


    I'm not sure if you have a learning cop on difficulties, but the CIA aint the heroes you think they are.

    You probably think it's was a sting operation, infiltration gone right, and the CIA saved a load of lives ? lol


    The CIA are not in the business of saving lives, least of all Yemeni lives.
    They are conmen, their business is drug running, plotting murder and assassination, torture, concealment and cover-up, rape and every other crime one can imagine. If you think their not involved in terrorism, you'll be laughed at.

    Get that into your skull before you come here singing their praises, coz we don't buy ur hero story.


  • #101
    studiorat
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    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    ....
    The CIA are not in the business of saving lives, least of all Yemeni lives.
    ..... .

    Do you know something the others don't? What was the intended target?

    Meanwhile...

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  • #102
    Jonny7
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    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you have a learning cop on difficulties, but the CIA aint the heroes you think they are.

    I'm confused, where did I mention any heroes?
    You probably think it's was a sting operation, infiltration gone right, and the CIA saved a load of lives ? lol

    Yes do share your information with us.
    The CIA are not in the business of saving lives, least of all Yemeni lives.
    They are conmen, their business is drug running, plotting murder and assassination, torture, concealment and cover-up, rape and every other crime one can imagine. If you think their not involved in terrorism, you'll be laughed at.

    Sounds like a real 1960's Cold War page-turner.
    Get that into your skull before you come here singing their praises, coz we don't buy ur hero story.

    I'm just the messenger


  • #103
    studiorat
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    Daithi 1 wrote: »

    Get that into your skull before you come here singing their praises, coz we don't buy ur hero story.

    We ? That's nosism that is... pluralis majestatis

    We are most amused...


  • #104
    Torakx
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    studiorat wrote: »
    Do you know something the others don't? What was the intended target?

    I would imagine if the underpants bomber story was a CIA false flag of sorts,then the target was not important,with respct to physical damage or harm.
    The goal could easily have been a play for the sake of the media,to reinforce opinion.
    The more "terrorists" succeed OR fail and get caught, the more there will be need to keep adding more security and monitoring of the general population.
    It seems to me a interupted terrorist attack is used for legislation and security issues.A full on attack is used for a "counter attack" they bneeded 9/11 to get into a war.A interrupted attack would not have given them enough momentum especially consider the years before 9/11 with regards to saddam.

    So it might be there only needs to be terrorists to keep the status quo.
    Think about if there were real terrorists fighting to stop this bilderberg group for example.
    Its much easier if you create your own enemy instead of having to guess where the real one would strike and when.
    If the CIA created or infiltrated all the terrorist orgs around the world they would suceed alot easier with political oppinion through fear and manipulation.
    If they didnt do that, they would have to fight a war on another front.
    Since we have an IRA in ireland alot of the time there will not be a call in society to make a new one.Most people will feel the call and just join whats available, which imo would be a government front or an infiltrated organisation.



    Imagine for a minute that there is a plan to completely control citizens and keep tabs on everyone.
    How would you get there as the instigator of such a plan?

    I have the advantage of playing the devils advocate many times.
    And when i play the Ct version of things including all the evidence of CIA involvement in the middle east and the drugs trade booming now america has become a presence there,I find it more logical to conclude it more likely this is more to do with bussiness and making money,power and political relationships(maybe towards a more exspansive end) than just "protecting our freedom".
    If anything the "protection of our freedom" is having the effect that soon i will not be allowed leave the border of Ireland or europe without someone knowing exactly where i have gone..if that isnt the case already.

    When you think about it, if the governments of the world were fair and just to all, there wouldnt be any counter force.And then terrorism would seem very suspicious.
    The fact people are treated so bad and someone is apparently acting on their behalf does not mean it is for their benefit.

    This isnt the 1930's but it seems to me the psyche and social awareness of the masses is still stuck in that time.
    Others have obviously moved on a fair bit,through their diligent work and experiments on people.


  • #105
    Monty Burnz
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    Torakx wrote: »
    When you think about it, if the governments of the world were fair and just to all, there wouldnt be any counter force.And then terrorism would seem very suspicious.
    This point assumes that there is some sort of universal justice and objective fairness. What is the objective truth in Israel/Palestine, for example? How do you persuade one side or the other that their case is 'unjust'?

    This goes for everything - from great international disputes like China/Tibet to every single disputed political decision in every single country, and at a micro-level, inter-personal disputes.

    Before you start spotting vast global conspiracies, perhaps you should think more about the human condition... :)


  • #106
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I wrote quite a bit.
    It seems to me you picked out the easier arguement to my overall point.
    I do concede it was a bold statement lol
    But i am prone to being spontaneous with posting.

    What do you think of the overall idea i set out?
    Doe sit sound so ridiculous considering all that is going on in the world?

    Keep in mind there was a video posted recently showing Hillary Clinton admitting the americans equipped the middle east to hold off russian influence(obviously so they could get in).
    So we both know its not as simple as the media makes out.
    The question im posing to you really i suppose, is how deep do you think it goes.And why is it so hard to consider these false flag conspiracy theories simply theories and not any sort of reality?


  • #107
    Monty Burnz
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    Torakx wrote: »
    What do you think of the overall idea i set out?
    Doe sit sound so ridiculous considering all that is going on in the world?
    It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it is what is going on. Bear in mind again that we have a distorted view of world history - yes, the world seems to be chaotic and full of trouble, and things are getting worse. But history always looks like this to the people who are going through it. The 70s were chaotic (Vietnam War, oil crisises etc.), the 60s were chaotic (Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis, Hippy revolution etc.), the 50s were chaotic (Korean War, McCarthyism, Russians taking control of Eastern Europe etc.), the 40s were chaotic (WW2)...you can do this all the way back right through time. There is nothing special about the time we live in.

    And yet, although the world is full of trouble and always appears to be getting worse, we live in the safest, richest, most democratic and just time in human history.
    Torakx wrote: »
    Keep in mind there was a video posted recently showing Hillary Clinton admitting the americans equipped the middle east to hold off russian influence(obviously so they could get in).
    Or so they could just give the Russians a big problem - their own Vietnam war. This isn't new or secret information, it's been public knowledge since the 80s. There's even a Hollywood film about it called Charlie Wilson's War.
    Torakx wrote: »
    So we both know its not as simple as the media makes out.
    The question im posing to you really i suppose, is how deep do you think it goes.And why is it so hard to consider these false flag conspiracy theories simply theories and not any sort of reality?
    I think it does not go very deep, although there are certainly lots of things going on beneath the surface. Like Obama's pronouncement that 'victory in the war on terror is close' - that is nonsense, it is just Obama preparing American voters for an American withdrawal (defeat?) from Afghanistan. Anybody with a brain can see it, but fortunately for Obama his voters in Alabama or wherever do not have any brains at all.

    Why do I think there is no great conspiracy? Because you have to consider how complex it would be to organise - it would be completely impossible. In order to believe these theories, you have to believe that the CIA and the imagined NWO are superhuman. But then you see the number of stupid mistakes the CIA and various other agencies make all the time, and you realise that these guys are not superhuman - and often, they are not even competent.


  • #108
    Torakx
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    Thanks for that, a good response.
    Im getting an idea of where your coming from although i agree on alot of it, there some aspects we have yet to see eye to eye on.

    I think you give "them" too much credit to think it superhuman to manipulate people and the media.
    The sheep metaphor is quite accurate, despite its cliche.

    There have been mistakes made, nobody including a supposed illuminatti are perfect.
    I think if its all true, the difference would be generations of planning and breeding towards these goals.

    As we saw there was alot of controversy over 9/11 and that it was an inside job.
    If it was an inside job there were a good few mistakes made,but they managed to just about get away with covering most of the evidence.


    I am pretty sure Obamas administration to take an example, could easily orchestrate a terrorist attack in America, from Africa(who they have probably already armed) in the coming years and put out through the main news networks that Africa represents a terrorist threat.
    But to get enough public support they would need to bring up the fear factor since the public are getting desensitized to terrorism.

    I see all these middle eastern attacks and failed attempts as bussiness deals and political moves.
    Not actual people trying to defend their country from an invading army.
    On some level maybe,but not in these situations that we often hear about it.


  • #109
    Brown Bomber
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Well I guess the truth is that the BBC is generally reliable but they have dropped the ball once or twice.

    Good documentary you linked, by the way. Although I remember hearing nearly a decade ago that the Al Qaeda 'brand' was promulgated by the Americans, and that there was no centralised organisation - it was basically bunches of local enthusiasts committing atrocities and then sticking on the brand name.

    Which - of course - makes it much harder to catch them too.

    "Al Qaeda" is also any (usually recently deceased) Muslim who owns a gun and is not a member of a regular arned force.


  • #110
    Brown Bomber
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    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    Excellent work by the authorities.

    One threat stopped.
    One false threat stopped. Hardly "excellent work" creating theatre when the same resources could be used to attempt to stop actual threats when there is a limited budget.
    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    A possible future discovered, as a result of which hopefully security will be changed to stop its affect.
    Yeah I can see it now, enforced naked-only flying.


  • #111
    Brown Bomber
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    You do realise that this "underwear" bomber was a double-agent? I'm not sure if you have a learning difficulty, but the nature of a double-agent is to infiltrate, so the whole thing appears to be very successful.
    Really? I'd consider an intelligence agent who'd succesfully infiltrated the inner sanctums of Al Qaeda forever blowing his cover over this as idiotic.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Also, can you show us how the original "underwear bomber" was a staged incident, considering the man is serving life.
    There is a reliable witness, a US lawyer, who was a co-passenger on the Schipol to Detroit who swears that Muthallab didn't even have a passport, was being refused boarding onto the flight until a "well dressed man" intervened on his behalf with airport staff and Muthallab was then permitted to travel (with his bomb).


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  • #112
    Jonny7
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    One false threat stopped.

    What was false about the bomb? do I detect mislaid sympathies? ;)


  • #113
    Brown Bomber
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    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    I'd say the odd of being killed by terrorism pre 911, were less than now, wouldnt you ?
    On current levels the chances of an US citizen being killed in a terrorist attack are 3.5 million to 1!

    Yet it is never off the front pages of the news media scaring the **** out of people; exaggerating the threat level ,who then in turn acquiesce to giving up their civil liberties completely exaggerating the threat level and huge sums are pumped into the (anti) terrorist industry which exports death and destruction and ironically creates more "terrorists".


  • #114
    Brown Bomber
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    What was false about the bomb? do I detect mislaid sympathies? ;)

    Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head - I'm an obvious terrorist sympathiser because I'd rather see limited resources used in fighting actual terrorism rather than stage-managed versions.

    Besides, I do remeber you being positively orgiastic when "Al Qaeda" were destroying Libya.


  • #115
    Jonny7
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    On current levels the chances of an US citizen being killed in a terrorist attack are 3.5 million to 1!


    Yet it is never off the front pages of the news media scaring the **** out of people; exaggerating the threat level ,who then in turn acquiesce to giving up their civil liberties completely exaggerating the threat level and huge sums are pumped into the (anti) terrorist industry which exports death and destruction and ironically creates more "terrorists".

    You'd rather the media was full of scare stories about the NWO, obscure Zionist stories and random alternative theories on 911?

    How about exact equal coverage of all world news? starting with serious events, famines in Africa, floods in Bangladesh, disease in India - on a sliding scale of importance? think we could manage a 4 hour bulletin like that every day?

    Nope it's not an "industry" as you speculate. It's just human nature and the dramatic, shocking aspect of events that mean they grab headlines and column inches - every extremist knows this, from Chechnyan rebels to anti-government lunatics. This is the same in Russia, Norway, India/Pakistan, all over the world.

    Some politicians have taken advantage of it, some dictators have made use of it for self-preservation, some agencies in the past and present are guilty of it. Sure growing up in this country we heard no end of it, but the troubles in Northern Ireland weren't some conjured up "industry".

    Last year there were more violent deaths in Mexico than Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia combined - I don't hear anyone banging on about that, not even here.

    In fact the conspiracy theory forums is the last place anyone should be highlighting sensationalism - the place is chock full of doomsday predictions and scare stories that would make Glen Beck cry.

    We'll always be interested in the dramatic and shocking.. and small fluffy animals on water-skis.


  • #116
    Brown Bomber
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Most aren't? can you give us a list? there's several thousand you'll have to work through.
    The majority of US based Islamic terrorism spectaculars have involved the FBI (and Muslim idiots).

    For example,
    Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

    Published: April 28, 2012

    Take the Stinger missile defendant James Cromitie, a low-level drug dealer with a criminal record that included no violence or hate crime, despite his rants against Jews. “He was searching for answers within his Islamic faith,” said his lawyer, Clinton W. Calhoun III, who has appealed his conviction. “And this informant, I think, twisted that search in a really pretty awful way, sort of misdirected Cromitie in his search and turned him towards violence.”

    THE informer, Shahed Hussain, had been charged with fraud, but avoided prison and deportation by working undercover in another investigation. He was being paid by the F.B.I. to pose as a wealthy Pakistani with ties to Jaish-e-Mohammed, a terrorist group that Mr. Cromitie apparently had never heard of before they met by chance in the parking lot of a mosque.
    “Brother, did you ever try to do anything for the cause of Islam?” Mr. Hussain asked at one point.
    “O.K., brother,” Mr. Cromitie replied warily, “where you going with this, brother?”
    Two days later, the informer told him, “Allah has more work for you to do,” and added, “Revelation is going to come in your dreams that you have to do this thing, O.K.?” About 15 minutes later, Mr. Hussain proposed the idea of using missiles, saying he could get them in a container from China. Mr. Cromitie laughed.

    Reading hundreds of pages of transcripts of the recorded conversations is like looking at the inkblots of a Rorschach test. Patterns of willingness and hesitation overlap and merge. “I don’t want anyone to get hurt,” Mr. Cromitie said, and then explained that he meant women and children. “I don’t care if it’s a whole synagogue of men.” It took 11 months of meandering discussion and a promise of $250,000 to lead him, with three co-conspirators he recruited, to plant fake bombs at two Riverdale synagogues.

    “Only the government could have made a ‘terrorist’ out of Mr. Cromitie, whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in its scope,” said Judge Colleen McMahon, sentencing him to 25 years. She branded it a “fantasy terror operation” but called his attempt “beyond despicable” and rejected his claim of entrapment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1


  • #117
    Torakx
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    You'd rather the media was full of scare stories about the NWO, obscure Zionist stories and random alternative theories on 911?

    How about exact equal coverage of all world news? starting with serious events, famines in Africa, floods in Bangladesh, disease in India - on a sliding scale of importance? think we could manage a 4 hour bulletin like that every day?

    Nope it's not an "industry" as you speculate. It's just human nature and the dramatic, shocking aspect of events that mean they grab headlines and column inches - every extremist knows this, from Chechnyan rebels to anti-government lunatics. This is the same in Russia, Norway, India/Pakistan, all over the world.

    Some politicians have taken advantage of it, some dictators have made use of it for self-preservation, some agencies in the past and present are guilty of it. Sure growing up in this country we heard no end of it, but the troubles in Northern Ireland weren't some conjured up "industry".

    Last year there were more violent deaths in Mexico than Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia combined - I don't hear anyone banging on about that, not even here.

    In fact the conspiracy theory forums is the last place anyone should be highlighting sensationalism - the place is chock full of doomsday predictions and scare stories that would make Glen Beck cry.

    We'll always be interested in the dramatic and shocking.. and small fluffy animals on water-skis.
    Its interesting you point out that alot of the CT's are aimed at the fantastic.
    But i think the reason is because its a counter/reaction to the propoganda being fed people on a daily basis.
    Its also to an extent localised.
    I for example know a bit about some corruption in the far east,but its not really a Ct.
    With regards wars between the east and the west though, there is alot of propoganda pumped out regularly on the mainstream channels.

    If you have a Ct on Mexico i would actually love to hear all about it!


    I find this forum quite informative so would always appreciate a new area to brush up on its politics and misconceptions due to said mainstream media.

    Also i think many people underestimate how much the irish have been americanised.


  • #118
    Run_to_da_hills
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  • #119
    Brown Bomber
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    You'd rather the media was full of scare stories about the NWO, obscure Zionist stories and random alternative theories on 911?

    How about exact equal coverage of all world news? starting with serious events, famines in Africa, floods in Bangladesh, disease in India - on a sliding scale of importance? think we could manage a 4 hour bulletin like that every day?

    Nope it's not an "industry" as you speculate. It's just human nature and the dramatic, shocking aspect of events that mean they grab headlines and column inches - every extremist knows this, from Chechnyan rebels to anti-government lunatics. This is the same in Russia, Norway, India/Pakistan, all over the world.

    Some politicians have taken advantage of it, some dictators have made use of it for self-preservation, some agencies in the past and present are guilty of it. Sure growing up in this country we heard no end of it, but the troubles in Northern Ireland weren't some conjured up "industry".

    Last year there were more violent deaths in Mexico than Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia combined - I don't hear anyone banging on about that, not even here.

    In fact the conspiracy theory forums is the last place anyone should be highlighting sensationalism - the place is chock full of doomsday predictions and scare stories that would make Glen Beck cry.

    We'll always be interested in the dramatic and shocking.. and small fluffy animals on water-skis.

    Rant over?

    I am not talking about the amount of coverage but the quality of the coverage. Blurring the lines between actual terrorist attacks on one side and CIA informant false attacks and FBI induced "fantasy terror attacks" on the other is manipulative and heightens fear which enables funding which could go to social services rather than bombs and guns.

    Also, it detracts from actually solving the terrorist problem by adressing their actual motivations for carrying out terrorist attacks which are real injustices such as Abu Ghraib, soliders smiling while urinating on dead bodies etc. This takes us further away from an actual solution.


  • #120
    Torakx
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    Thats a good point BB.
    Sometimes it feels like in order to convince people its all bullcrap i need to study really hard about all the bullcrap and get involved to do it.Which leaves me an expert on bullcrap lol
    I guess you could substitute bullcrap for propoganda.

    The other choice is to just blow something up or put your head down and play chess with a friend :D



    ps, i mean seriously.....an underpants bomber! somebody is having a laugh at the worlds expense.


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  • #121
    Jonny7
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Rant over?

    I am not talking about the amount of coverage but the quality of the coverage. Blurring the lines between actual terrorist attacks on one side and CIA informant false attacks and FBI induced "fantasy terror attacks" on the other is manipulative and heightens fear which enables funding which could go to social services rather than bombs and guns.

    lol.. its like the old version of me back my Chomsky years :)

    Sadly terrorist attacks and plots happen all over the world, I've yet to see someone with an agenda in here carefully splitting all the "fake" Chechnyan bomb plots into a neat pile to apportion blame.
    Also, it detracts from actually solving the terrorist problem by adressing their actual motivations for carrying out terrorist attacks which are real injustices such as Abu Ghraib, soliders smiling while urinating on dead bodies etc. This takes us further away from an actual solution.

    The worst type of injustice.. American hypocrisy!

    Yup, heard it all before, I used to preach it myself. I mean they dragged a net through Afghanistan, picked up taxi drivers, etc threw them into Gitmo - couldn't create a more perfect recruitment poster for extremists - yet its done and now these people now have to be dealt with.


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