Israeli Police "accidently" delete key evidence in Arab Teen Lynching case

Duck Soup · 13-01-2013 08:11AM

jonsnow wrote: »

Errant CD burn process apparently.Appears to be CDs of interviews destroyed not hard drives.

Well, as I'm a non-techie, you'd have to explain this one to me.

Usually, if you're burning a CD, it's in the CD slot of a desktop/laptop. The files are burned from the hard drive of the laptop/desktop onto a CD or DVD. I've never heard of burning a CD direct from a digital camera.

The article says "Only the first hour of each videotaped interview ended up on CDs, while the rest was permanently deleted".

I can understand it if they thought they copied the interviews onto CD and then deleted the original files.

But if the files were originally held on computer - which they must have been to be burned onto CDs - all of the files can be retrieved, even after deletion.

jonsnow · 13-01-2013 01:44PM

Duck Soup wrote: »

Well, as I'm a non-techie, you'd have to explain this one to me.

Usually, if you're burning a CD, it's in the CD slot of a desktop/laptop. The files are burned from the hard drive of the laptop/desktop onto a CD or DVD. I've never heard of burning a CD direct from a digital camera.

The article says "Only the first hour of each videotaped interview ended up on CDs, while the rest was permanently deleted".

I can understand it if they thought they copied the interviews onto CD and then deleted the original files.

But if the files were originally held on computer - which they must have been to be burned onto CDs - all of the files can be retrieved, even after deletion.

Well I,m a non-techie as well and they basically gave no real details as to how they lost the evidence and they refused to answer any questions about the matter so its very hard to know what to make of it.

Fr_Dougal · 13-01-2013 01:48PM

Easy enough thing to happen, I've deleted a few important files by mistake in my time, as I'm sure everyone on this thread has.

jonsnow · 13-01-2013 01:55PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

We don't know the details. It could have been one bastard of a cop with an opportunity.

Taking one incident that might have been carried out by one person and saying 'look - that's 7.5 million people for ya' is just axe-grinding.

Where did I blame all 7.5 million Israeli citizens.I stated that the israeli state had not carried out a competent investigation of a very serious attempted lynching.This is the truth.The Israeli police have a long history of not treating Iaraelii arab citizens as equals of israeli jewish citizens and not investigating attacks aginst them by jews properly .This is the truth.

If this something similar had happened to your brother/son/friend I wonder would you be so blase."oh you deleted hours and hours of crucial evidence so now his attackers will probably walk.You wont explain properly how you did that or what processes or in place that would allow such a thing to happen.Fair enough I suppose."

GalwayGuy2 · 13-01-2013 02:09PM

You mean akin to Israel?

Hmmm, Israel actually got rid of the don't ask don't tell before America, and their women's rights are pretty top notch (even with the bus controversy that was a rare incident). Not defending what they're doing to the Palestinian people, but calling them misogynistic?

On the deletion, yeah I'd say they have their own three degrees of separation going on. Israel has a population a million more than we do, and is a quarter smaller. Although, quite diverse, and with strong religios and lines, I'd say there's a strong chance of one of the police officers knowing someone who knew someone who knew the father sort of situation. All it takes is a few police who think "ah sure, twas only a terrorist" to undermine a whole investigation.

jonsnow · 13-01-2013 03:39PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hmmm, Israel actually got rid of the don't ask don't tell before America, and their women's rights are pretty top notch (even with the bus controversy that was a rare incident). Not defending what they're doing to the Palestinian people, but calling them misogynistic?

On the deletion, yeah I'd say they have their own three degrees of separation going on. Israel has a population a million more than we do, and is a quarter smaller. Although, quite diverse, and with strong religios and lines, I'd say there's a strong chance of one of the police officers knowing someone who knew someone who knew the father sort of situation. All it takes is a few police who think "ah sure, twas only a terrorist" to undermine a whole investigation.

yeah perfectly understandable and reasonable so.:rolleyes:

GalwayGuy2 · 13-01-2013 03:50PM

yeah perfectly understandable and reasonable so.

No, I never said that. To fix any problem you have to understand it to reason with the wrongdoers.

Or we could just call all Israeli people evil and Racist?

jonsnow · 13-01-2013 03:54PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

No, I never said that. To fix any problem you have to understand it to reason with the wrongdoers.

Or we could just call all Israeli people evil and Racist?

Well you also have to investigate the problem and not just shrug your shoulders and say that these things happen.A few bad apples etc. etc.

Noone is calling all Israeli people evil and racist (or at least I,m not) so strawman argument there

GalwayGuy2 · 13-01-2013 04:12PM

Well you also have to investigate the problem and not just shrug your shoulders and say that these things happen.A few bad apples etc. etc.

I don't think I shrugged my shoulders while saying that. And I never said anything about bad apples.

jonsnow · 13-01-2013 04:22PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I don't think I shrugged my shoulders while saying that. And I never said anything about bad apples.

Your entire tone was dismissive.Its a small country, everyone knows each other so you implied that its understandable that strings might be pulled and made no suggestions as to curbing such behaviour

Re bad apples yeah you did

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I'd say there's a strong chance of one of the police officers knowing someone who knew someone who knew the father sort of situation. All it takes is a few police who think "ah sure, twas only a terrorist" to undermine a whole investigation.

lounakin · 13-01-2013 04:52PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Just another example of institutional racism in Israel. A farce of a "democracy".

Instutitional racism? Same on the other side!

Higher · 13-01-2013 04:57PM

Candie wrote: »

Irish guys beat a Polish guy to death in Dublin a few years back. Doesn't make every last Irish person a murdering xenophobe.

I think the official reaction to the beating seems commendable. I don't know anything about how the evidence was compromised, but everything else seemed by the book.

Everything else seems by the book except for the police deleting the key evidence that would actually prosecute the culprits :rolleyes:

No one is having a go at Israel for the actions of some scumbags. However people are having a go about an organ of the Israeli state quite clearly ensuring that those scumbags get off because the victim happens to be Arab and the culprits Jewish.

Higher · 13-01-2013 04:59PM

Is it just me or is it cool to defend Israel or something?

They are no better than the apartheid people in South Africa and yet the difference in reaction is incredible.

Maybe its because Muslims are so hated. Jewish were the focus of hate in the 20th century, now it seems its the muslims turn.

GalwayGuy2 · 13-01-2013 05:10PM

Your entire tone was dismissive.Its a small country, everyone knows each other so you implied that its understandable that strings might be pulled and made no suggestions as to curbing such behaviour

That's majorly interpretive.

My name is URL · 13-01-2013 05:20PM

Higher wrote: »

Is it just me or is it cool to defend Israel or something?

They are no better than the apartheid people in South Africa and yet the difference in reaction is incredible.

Maybe its because Muslims are so hated. Jewish were the focus of hate in the 20th century, now it seems its the muslims turn.

I don't think any right minded person would or could defend the obvious human rights abuses etc of Israel, but there's a huge difference between criticising the policies & practices of a nation's government and attacking the entire populace.

More harm than good is done by those who base their views on people in general on the actions of their political leaders. It gives idiots (those who simply defend Israel because they are 'right-wing' or whatever) a reason to dismiss all opposing arguments.

ProfanityURL · 13-01-2013 05:38PM

Harry Deerpark wrote: »

All will amount to nothing, of course, because common sense will prevail and the U.S.A. will stand by Israel, thankfully.

Common sense that has Palestinian families being ejected from their homes in the west bank so they can be demolished and replaced with unlawful Israeli settlements. But don't say anything about it because that would be anti-semetic...

Debator · 13-01-2013 05:57PM

Higher wrote: »

Is it just me or is it cool to defend Israel or something?

Where did you get that idea? College campuses are full of naive teenagers wearing Che Guevara t-shirts and PLO scarfs.

They are no better than the apartheid people in South Africa and yet the difference in reaction is incredible.

This old chestnut. I'm not going to waste time explaining why your analogy is just plain wrong because I get the feeling you're going to believe what you want to believe. Here is a page from your Bible, the Guardian. Even they agree that comparing Israel to apartheid SA is stupid. Guardian article

Maybe its because Muslims are so hated. Jewish were the focus of hate in the 20th century, now it seems its the muslims turn.

Plenty of anti-Jewish hatred around these dsays and there has been for the past few millennia. Your kind are nothing new but I'll fight you every step along the way. Hatred and bigotry will never prevail.

Nodin · 13-01-2013 06:06PM

Debator wrote: »

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This old chestnut. I'm not going to waste time explaining why your analogy is just plain wrong ............ .

A shame, as I could do with a chuckle. The OT's are run along lines so similar to Apartheid SA it's hard to see how you could compare them to anything else.

Debator wrote: »

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Even they agree that comparing Israel to apartheid SA is stupid.

Attaching a "they agree" to a comment is free opinion piece by an individual is a bit much, tbh.

Its also worth noting that the author refers to Israel proper, not the OT.

Debator wrote: »

.................
Plenty of anti-Jewish hatred around these dsays and there has been for the past few millennia. Your kind are nothing new but I'll fight you every step along the way. Hatred and bigotry will never prevail.

Good man, fighting talk to go with your baseless accusation of anti-semitism.

Debator · 13-01-2013 06:13PM

Nodin wrote: »

A shame, as I could do with a chuckle. The OT's are run along lines so similar to Apartheid SA it's hard to see how you could compare them to anything else.

This thread is not about the Occupied Territories. It's about Israel.

Attaching a "they agree" to a comment is free opinion piece by an individual is a bit much, tbh.

Its also worth noting that the author refers to Israel proper, not the OT.

Sorry I couldn't find a similar article from your news source of choice, Al Jazeera.
Does Israel have separate toilets for Jews and Arabs?
Can Arab-Israelis vote?
Are Arab-Israelis barred from getting jobs?

Come back to me when you figure out the answers. The "Israel is an apartheid state" vomit has been debunked a few dozen times now since my time on boards.

Good man, fighting talk to go with your baseless accusation of anti-semitism.

I'm a man of peace. No to IRA. No to Hamas. Simple.

Nodin · 13-01-2013 06:26PM

Debator wrote: »

This thread is not about the Occupied Territories. It's about Israel..

You were referring specifically to the comparisons with Apartheid SA. These comparisons in the most part arise due to the regime instituted by the Israeli state in those regions. To ignore the existence of this is rather nonsensical, and a bit of sillyness, in all honesty.

Debator wrote: »

Sorry I couldn't find a similar article from your news source of choice, Al Jazeera...

Is there some reason that makes you think that should be my "news source of choice"?

Debator wrote: »

Does Israel have separate toilets for Jews and Arabs?
Can Arab-Israelis vote?
Are Arab-Israelis barred from getting jobs?...

While the Israeli-Palestinian population faces great discrimination, the Palestinian population in the OT's suffers the full brunt of the Apartheid style regime, with a two-tier system of "justice", resource distribution, access to transport, destruction of property and crops by Israeli colonists etc.

Debator wrote: »

I'm a man of peace. No to IRA. No to Hamas. Simple.

....yet seem easy with state violence, occupation and colonialism. Fascinating.

I wasn't aware that either the IRA or Hamas had anything to do with the regime imposed in Arab East Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Debator · 13-01-2013 06:34PM

Nodin you are veering wildly off-topic. I would be more than happy to discuss the Occupied Territories with you in another thread. My views would broadly be in line with those of President Obama, in that I'm an advocate of the two state solution.

But I take issue with posters here labeling Israel an apartheid state. I've listed several questions above which you have failed to answer directly. Probably because the conclusion is that Israel isn't comparable to apartheid SA. Arabs ironically enjoy more freedom in Israel than they would in Saudi Arabia, for example. Denouncing an entire nation because of the actions of a corrupt cop is insane. Is America an "apartheid state" because of the Rodney King incident?

Nodin · 13-01-2013 06:51PM

Debator wrote: »

But I take issue with posters here labeling Israel an apartheid state. I've listed several questions above which you have failed to answer directly. Probably because the conclusion .............. Is America an "apartheid state" because of the Rodney King incident?

And once more, you adopt this rather laughable effort, whereby you seek to seperate the Israeli state from the way it runs the OT. I've already pointed out that this is where the real discrimination occurs. Your questions omit that fact in their phrasing because Israel is labelled an apartheid state due the regime it runs there.

lapsed · 13-01-2013 07:07PM

Nodin wrote: »

And once more, you adopt this rather laughable effort, whereby you seek to seperate the Israeli state from the way it runs

the OT

. I've already pointed out that this is where the real discrimination occurs. Your questions omit that fact in their phrasing because Israel is labelled an apartheid state due the regime it runs there.

So the 2/3rds of the Territories run by the PA are just hunky dory are they ?

Nodin · 13-01-2013 07:41PM

lapsed wrote: »

So the 2/3rds of the Territories run by the PA are just hunky dory are they ?

The PA have what authority Israel allows them.

Pottler · 13-01-2013 11:23PM

Debator wrote: »

Where did you get that idea? College campuses are full of naive teenagers wearing Che Guevara t-shirts and PLO scarfs.

This old chestnut. I'm not going to waste time explaining why your analogy is just plain wrong because I get the feeling you're going to believe what you want to believe. Here is a page from your Bible, the Guardian. Even they agree that comparing Israel to apartheid SA is stupid. Guardian article

Plenty of anti-Jewish hatred around these dsays and there has been for the past few millennia. Your kind are nothing new but I'll fight you every step along the way. Hatred and bigotry will never prevail.

You're good at this for a lad with 8oish posts.:pac:
Just on the bit in bold, which kind, exactly? Cheers:)

Harry Deerpark · 13-01-2013 11:39PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think any right minded person would or could defend the obvious human rights abuses etc of Israel, but there's a huge difference between criticising the policies & practices of a nation's government and attacking the entire populace.

More harm than good is done by those who base their views on people in general on the actions of their political leaders. It gives idiots (those who simply defend Israel because they are 'right-wing' or whatever) a reason to dismiss all opposing arguments.

Yeah because Islamic countries are flourishing with human rights, right? Bollocks. Israel is the only place where homosexuals and women are treated equally, to destroy such a place contradicts most left-wingers' views - it's a shame certain people are too thick to see this contradiction because they're blinded by the hatred of all things American.

Left-wingers are only siding with Palestine because Israel are backed by capitalist America. Communists and socialists will join forces with any terrorist organization just as long as they're both fighting the big, bad capitalists of the West.

In all honesty, the political left couldn't give a sh.it about Palestine, they'll just align with anyone to suit their socialist agenda.

I lost all respect for the left when they started making excuses for Saddam Hussein - that man was a bad dude and he needed to go sooner or later. I don't like how the Iraq War was carried out and I hate George Bush, but anything is better than Saddam Hussein gassing Kurds, oppressing Shi'ites and invading neighbouring countries.

Harry Deerpark · 13-01-2013 11:47PM

ProfanityURL wrote: »

Common sense that has Palestinian families being ejected from their homes in the west bank so they can be demolished and replaced with unlawful Israeli settlements. But don't say anything about it because that would be anti-semetic...

Ah well, replacing a barbaric Islamic regime with a more modern and civilized democracy is the positive outcome of all that.

I'm also very certain Hamas and company would do much worse to the Israelis if they had the firepower, not that it would bother you.

Nodin · 14-01-2013 12:08AM

Harry Deerpark wrote: »

Yeah because Islamic countries are flourishing with human rights, right? Bollocks. Israel is the only place where homosexuals and women are treated equally, to destroy such a place contradicts most left-wingers' views - ...........

Do us a favour there and show me where somebody on this thread has advocated 'destroying' Israel.

Nodin · 14-01-2013 12:24AM

Harry Deerpark wrote: »

Ah well, replacing a barbaric Islamic regime with a more modern and civilized democracy is the positive outcome of all that.

I'm also very certain Hamas and company would do much worse to the Israelis if they had the firepower, not that it would bother you.

Palestinians in the OT don't have a vote in Israeli elections and are under martial law, sans the protections of the Geneva conventions. They're constantly subjected to violence from both Israeli forces and Israeli colonists. I'm not seeing anything "modern and civilized" there. Quite the opposite in fact.

The PA is not an Islamist organisation and is run by Fatah not Hamas.

repsol · 14-01-2013 12:30AM

Gotta hand it to the Israelis. They don't take **** from anyone and don't care about the opinions of other nations. Lots of people don't like them but they get respect.Any other nation would be flapping about the police "scandal" and there would be press releases and people resigning.Look at all the hassle over that guy dying after a copper pushed him in London when he wouldn't move as directed.

Israeli Police "accidently" delete key evidence in Arab Teen Lynching case

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