Changes in the GAA - super thread

ArielAtom · 23-07-2019 07:35PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not at all

address the funding. Post your answer as a reply

Please and thanks.

I addressed the funding as in it was addressed and cut. Sponsorship is a different issue completely.

bennyl10 · 23-07-2019 07:43PM

blanch152 wrote: »

When did the Dublin County Board start collecting VAT?

That will push one of the others out of my top-ten of daft ideas from this thread.

Typo. Vast.

threeball · 23-07-2019 08:02PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Are there any other issues that need to be changed in the GAA or can we just do the decent thing and re-name the thread to something that has Dublin in the title. Let’s get honest at least.

Seen as you're all about honesty how about the Dublin fans on here get a bit honest then we'll move on.

dunnerc · 23-07-2019 08:17PM

threeball wrote: »

Seen as you're all about honesty how about the Dublin fans on here get a bit honest then we'll move on.

How about the anti Dubs get a bit honest then we will move on :rolleyes:

threeball · 23-07-2019 08:19PM

dunnerc wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

Seen as you're all about honesty how about the Dublin fans on here get a bit honest then we'll move on.

How about the anti Dubs get a bit honest then we will move on :rolleyes:

Every time you post it's like there's an echo.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 08:20PM

dunnerc wrote: »

How about the anti Dubs get a bit honest then we will move on :rolleyes:

Not Anti dubs whatsoever

Anti inequality and anti disadvantages yes

ArielAtom · 23-07-2019 08:31PM

Talk to Joe!!!!!! I hear he is very sympathetic to all causes

gaffer91 · 23-07-2019 08:32PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

We know it won’t continue because Kerry were eventually beaten

Kerry didn't have a stacked deck in their favour- they actually won fairly. The necessary circumstances are there for endless Dublin dominance in the All Ireland championship- see the Leinster championship since 2005 if you want to see what the future looks like. But sure, it's only because every other member of every other county in Leinster is a hapless incompetent, and the volunteers in Dublin would make the boys of the old brigade look like mugs, nothing more sinister going on here at all :rolleyes:

By the way, it's good to see we've moved on from the ridiculous comparisons with the Kilkenny hurlers. In its place we've move to an equally ridiculous comparison with the Kerry team from the 1980s. I eventually see people saying "Sure no-one was complaining about Wexford in the 1910s, other teams need to step up".

toffeeshel wrote: »

Kerry won the AI in 80 by winning 3 matches- cork Offaly and Roscommon. The internet would explode if Dublin did that

Jesus, the GAA and the world was a different place in 1980 compared with 2019. Mad to think that it was still a more fairly won tournament than any of Dublin's, because of all their insane advantages we've already established.

ArielAtom wrote: »

B. The funding issue has been dealt with. 2018 saw the balance happen with Dublin’s funding cut. Hopefully that satisfies you.

You realise one year of equalised funding means nothing? Dublin would have to be under-funded for years to come for it be any semblance of equality.

And again, there is much funding besides (namely sponsorship money)- why do the supporters of the status quo never, ever mention this money and how it adds to the inequality?

I haven't even bothered to check if this is actually true by the way, but given your history of half truths and other inaccuracies, it could well not be. Unless your friend from Derry told you, his word is basically Gospel around these parts.

blanch152 wrote: »

Dublin players train hard in a field and in a gym.

I suppose the simple thing is to make sure that every county team can train in a field or a gym.

Are there counties where the players don't have access to a field to train in?

This is just a slight rephrasing of the "money doesn't kick the ball over the bar" argument. Already debunked many, many times. Is it any wonder this thread is going around in circles?

Money helps you develop players and teams significantly more than would otherwise be possible with less money. It's honestly staggering that a fan of any sport in 2019 would need this to be spelled out to them, repeatedly.

ArielAtom · 23-07-2019 08:37PM

threeball wrote: »

Seen as you're all about honesty how about the Dublin fans on here get a bit honest then we'll move on.

How about a thread for the 8 regular hard done by lads here. Just call it the Dublin whatever you want thread. This thread has been a godsend as it has all the ranting in one place and the other threads by and large have been left alone. I’ve make my point really clear answering the points raised on your to be met with deflection, we can all use that word!!!! So fill your boots men, keep ranting g on an Internet forum. If you were serious and had a pair you’d protest outside Croker or at least get your clubs to put a motion to your county boards, that is if you are all members of the GAA. If your not, this is not a discussion you’re entitled to be in. I’d be very interested who is BTW.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 08:37PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Talk to Joe!!!!!! I hear he is very sympathetic to all causes

Nope. Prefer discussing it on this thread ?!

The specific thread we are supposedly discussing changes to the gaa.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 08:39PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

How about a thread for the 8 regular hard done by lads here. Just call it the Dublin whatever you want thread. This thread has been a godsend as it has all the ranting in one place and the other threads by and large have been left alone. I’ve make my point really clear answering the points raised on your to be met with deflection, we can all use that word!!!! So fill your boots men, keep ranting g on an Internet forum. If you were serious and had a pair you’d protest outside Croker or at least get your clubs to put a motion to your county boards, that is if you are all members of the GAA. If your not, this is not a discussion you’re entitled to be in. I’d be very interested who is BTW.

Well speaking personally I have been lobbying various delegates and if anything I am very much watered down compared to their views.

We will see changes soon enough I suspect.

ArielAtom · 23-07-2019 08:43PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Well speaking personally I have been lobbying various delegates and if anything I am very much watered down compared to their views.

We will see changes soon enough I suspect.

Excellent, Joe will be pleased. Marian, Ryan and Ray might also take your call.

I look forward to the motion at congress.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 08:44PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Excellent, Joe will be pleased. Marian, Ryan and Ray might also take your call.

I look forward to the motion at congress.

Lovely deflection. Keep it up. We are all watching.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 08:48PM

Just on a general point I have observed the dubs have no real idea about how big an issue this is outside of Dublin.

I suspect they don’t care.

dunnerc · 23-07-2019 08:50PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lovely deflection. Keep it up. We are all watching.

Your the master at deflection , keep it up well done :rolleyes:

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 08:51PM

Not at all. Please address the substantive points.

dunnerc · 23-07-2019 08:53PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just on a general point I have observed the dubs have no real idea about how big an issue this is outside of Dublin.

I suspect they don’t care.

Your observation is based on what ?

Feisar · 23-07-2019 09:10PM

As a non GAA man and I generally don't like ye...

Reality doesn't matter as much as perception these days.

140Kg across yer back is the same in any county and there isn't any secret formula money can by when it comes to strength and conditioning.

Work on yer lifts (squat/dead/press/bench) in the off season and agility/fitness closer to competition. Google Russian block systems. Everyone looks to Dublin and hears stories about meals delivered to lads at "work". Johnny kicking for Offally is out on the site mixing cement and eating ham sambos while Johno is getting custom meals delivered to his pretend job in cushyland.

There are undeniable advantages to having the population base, easier to get a squad of hard hittin' dedicated operators when there's more bodies. I don't think anyone disputes this however 15 need to face 15 at the end of the day.

The GAA need to play down this advantage with advertising because everyone is loosing interest (a good thing IMO).

seligehgit · 23-07-2019 09:14PM

Mod Warning

This thread is for discussing change(s) in the GAA (plural).

Can we please not get bogged down solely in an endlessly confrontative and argumentative discussion on any advantages Dublin GAA may have.

There is far too much personalised bickering on both sides of the argument.

Only constructive posts are expected and not tit for tat insults.

Can all posters desist from the use of terminology such as flat earthers,anti vaxxers.

Bonniedog · 23-07-2019 11:00PM

It was all great fun until somebody lost an eye ..

RoyalCelt · 24-07-2019 12:05AM

kilns wrote: »

I have noticed no non-dubs have commented on my post about the age profile of this Dublin squad and the implications it may have 2/3 years down the line

Dublin dominating the leinster underage at u20/21. This won't change for the next 10 years. You'll have zero issue staying miles ahead of the chasing pack in your province. We have no chance.

blanch152 · 24-07-2019 12:11AM

Ciaran Whelan has suggested changing the Super 8s into the Super 10s, with two groups of 5.

Top team in each group would qualify for the semi-finals, next two would qualify for the quarter-finals.

How would qualifying work though?

Four provincial winners obviously.

Four provincial runners-up against four qualifiers.

But the last two places?

kilns · 24-07-2019 08:40AM

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Dublin dominating the leinster underage at u20/21. This won't change for the next 10 years. You'll have zero issue staying miles ahead of the chasing pack in your province. We have no chance.

Except for Kerry at least nationally who have won the last 5 All Ireland minors.....

ArielAtom · 24-07-2019 09:07AM

Interested in how each county run off their championships. In Dublin its a disaster as they put it on hold until the AI is completed to allow each club to field thier strongest side. I have seen the it being used to the detriment of the competition where a club could get a hurling match called off becasue they have a "squad" member involved with the football. How do other counties run theirs. Would it be an idea to have a rule from central counsel where they are run right through the summer? I know this would affect some clubs more than others, but at least the season would actually have a finish and end and players would have some down time instead of being flogged each year. AA

blanch152 · 24-07-2019 09:53AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Interested in how each county run off their championships. In Dublin its a disaster as they put it on hold until the AI is completed to allow each club to field thier strongest side. I have seen the it being used to the detriment of the competition where a club could get a hurling match called off becasue they have a "squad" member involved with the football. How do other counties run theirs. Would it be an idea to have a rule from central counsel where they are run right through the summer? I know this would affect some clubs more than others, but at least the season would actually have a finish and end and players would have some down time instead of being flogged each year. AA

Dublin are one of the better ones at running it off.

Some counties are an awful lot worse.

bruschi · 24-07-2019 10:00AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Ciaran Whelan has suggested changing the Super 8s into the Super 10s, with two groups of 5.

Top team in each group would qualify for the semi-finals, next two would qualify for the quarter-finals.

How would qualifying work though?

Four provincial winners obviously.

Four provincial runners-up against four qualifiers.

But the last two places?

it was a ridiculous throwaway comment with no back up. His only reasoning was that he saw how well the hurling provincials works with 2 groups of 5. There is no way of forming the groups of 5 and it would make the group phase at least 2 weeks longer, potentially more if teams dont want to be out 4 weeks in a row. Completely unworkable and a really not thought out proposal at all.

The only way it could work is if it was a provincial set up, like the hurling. But even that doesnt work. Shoehorning a completely different competition with no back up to how it could work.

kilns · 24-07-2019 10:12AM

The provincial championships are not fit for purpose anymore until they are scrapped nothing will be fundamentally solved.

People moan about the Leinster championship but the Munster championship has always been a joke with Kerry getting just as easy a ride as Dublin through it.

LuckyLloyd · 24-07-2019 10:29AM

kilns wrote: »

The provincial championships are not fit for purpose anymore until they are scrapped nothing will be fundamentally solved.

People moan about the Leinster championship but the Munster championship has always been a joke with Kerry getting just as easy a ride as Dublin through it.

This is the key change required in both codes. Provincials are a relic of the past, where it took longer to travel the length and breadth of the country and information took longer to disseminate out and around. Ireland was a far more “local” place, and in that context the structure made sense.

It’s time for a national approach, seeding and “shield” competitions in football also. This is the place to start.

The Lost Sheep · 24-07-2019 11:50AM

kilns wrote: »

The provincial championships are not fit for purpose anymore until they are scrapped nothing will be fundamentally solved.

People moan about the Leinster championship but the Munster championship has always been a joke with Kerry getting just as easy a ride as Dublin through it.

the provincial championships dont need to be scrapped for a complete overhaul in the all Ireland championship to happen.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This is the key change required in both codes. Provincials are a relic of the past, where it took longer to travel the length and breadth of the country and information took longer to disseminate out and around. Ireland was a far more “local” place, and in that context the structure made sense.

It’s time for a national approach, seeding and “shield” competitions in football also. This is the place to start.

provincial championships are some counties only realistic chance of silverware. By all means have a tiered all Ireland but you shouldn't remove the provincial championship to put it in place.

kilns · 24-07-2019 01:01PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

the provincial championships dont need to be scrapped for a complete overhaul in the all Ireland championship to happen.

provincial championships are some counties only realistic chance of silverware. By all means have a tiered all Ireland but you shouldn't remove the provincial championship to put it in place.

Of course they do, the provincial championships are so lob sided its a joke now, how many games did Armagh play this year in the Ulster championship and then the qualifiers and against Div 1 teams, while how many games did Cork have to play to get into the Super 8s and who did they have to face to get there?

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